SOFT = OFFLANE
HARD = SAFE LANE WARD ♥♥♥♥♥
L2P ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ queue into hard support picking offlane because they think its hardlane support
BruT7 Aug, 2019 @ 8:23amjust report them they will be punished quickly
> just report them they will be punished quickly
Sorry, but do you think reporting brings your lost mmr back and all will be ok when its not going to be?So based on you position 5 is safe lane and position 4 is offlane.
Now my question is where do you see position 3? (If position 4 is offlane than position 3 is either top lane in a duo with position 4 (that might not do well against an enemy trilane ending up with underfarmed position 3,4) or position 3 is jungle (and in this case enemies can play an trilane offlane with the 2 enemy supports messing up with safe side jungle, after all it’s in their interest position 5 & 4 getting enemy position 3 underfarmed/underlevel is a win situation))
It is a fair question because you might have a trilane on your safe lane and in that situation I really doubt what you wrote can be correct. (In this case position 5 and 4 share safe lane)
Even in pro scene there have been games were mid lane ended up a duo lane because the mid was just doing badly…
You do realise that even in a + jungler situation your top laner can do it really badly and in such a situation there might be a good idea to actualy change the plan and make the top laner become position 5 and safe lane support become position 4.
Compared to lol, dota 2 doesn’t actually have a fixed meta lane setup.
1 core 2 mid 3 offlane (like axe) 4 offlane support 5 safe lane support
dota 2 is not a meta… is actually sending position 3 offlane and position 4 safe
In your previous game I think riki can go offlane and you and shaman should be pos 4/5.
> dota 2 is not a meta… is good idea to start game and if needed they will just roam to other lanes.
Everything depends where they are needed.
Compared to other moba dota 2 is flexible.
With 5 random players in team things go one way, with a 5 men team that plays together often things go in another way.
With 5 random players position 4 and 5 might no longer trust the cores because the cores just look to play badly and in this case you will often see how position 4 and/or 5 decide that him/her/they are wasting their time trying to be support/s and just switch to core playstyle.
With a team of 5 players that play together often things don’t go like this because 4 and 5 trust the cores, when position 4 and 5 will no longer trust one or more cores either the cores will be removed from the team or position 4 and 5 will leave.
If you see position 4 and/or 5 starting to try to act like a core and you are a core you should analyze if position 4 and/or 5 has/have a reason to try to act like a core. And be fair when you analyze what is happening in that game, because if all 3 cores are just doing badly maybe just maybe all 3 cores made one or both of the supports no longer trust your core carry ability and they are trying to transition to a core role to actually try to win the game. Why? Maybe your position 4 and 5 had too many games where they had fail core players.
With 5 random players you should also understand that while you might want a others might want a or + jungler or + perma roaming supports, or because the midlaner is having a hard game one of the supports decides that it’s better for the team to babysit mid, or that safe lane core is premade with position 4 and they like to play a trilane.
The point is that while you might think something is good for your team others might think something else is good for the team… If you want to avoid such situations the only way is to always play in a 5 men team, even if u are 4 premades the 5th might not agree with the other 4 and you can’t force him to do what you want (sure you can report him, but he might report you back). Democracy biggest weakness is that the decisions are took by the majority and majority can be wrong and the ones that disagree have to suffer due to the wrong decision took by the majority…
In the past I played position 4 or 5 premade with a not good core, I was often asked why on earth i duo with that player. Well it was because it was my friend. I wasn’t exactly a support because I already knew that I premade with a not good core so I had to be something between a support and a core to have a chance to win that game.
As position 4 I prefer to actualy trilane safe, on offlane I prefer to solo it (either as position 3 or position 4).
Sure you can say might be good for the start. Maybe the enemy solo offlaner is capable to pressure your core + support forcing 1 tp scroll use. What if the enemy solo offlaner is capable to pressure your trilane?
Don’t get me wrong but I was forced to transition from position 5 lion into core lion to have a chance to win that game because by minute 3 (yea min 3) I realise we are going to lose in under 20 minutes (that bad the situation was) and I manage to keep the game until enemy cores bought bkb and I was no longer capable to nuke someone. Sure entire team could had blame me for no wards, sorry to say but I was the only one actually watching the minimap so the wards were usefull only for me.
I had to transition from position 4 solo offlane dazzle into hard carry dazzle because the rest of the team was feeding and I was the one facing a trilane. When duo bot + jungler manages to feed the enemy solo offlaner and when qop manages to lose to pudge (yea qop had less farm than pudge and was losing rune control to pudge… and that was happening with mid lane properly warded by me…). I’ve done as much as I could, ended up being top damage dealer with dazzle… most kills in that game… yet I couldn’t win the game… the cores never recovered (one of the cores ended up with less gold that position 5…)
WTF does hard and soft support even mean. I play to win and have fun not to study a forced meta down my throat. I have been playing since Dota 1 and now this game is becoming really bad.
> WTF does hard and soft support even mean. I play to win and have fun not to study a forced meta down my throat. I have been playing since Dota 1 and now this game is becoming really bad.
I’ve explained this on the other thread.> > WTF does hard and soft support even mean. I play to win and have fun not to study a forced meta down my throat. I have been playing since Dota 1 and now this game is becoming really bad.
I’ve explained this on the other thread.
Can I get it ingame? What do these terms mean I never heard them before today when I turned on the game.
Dondo8 Aug, 2019 @ 9:18am> WTF does hard and soft support even mean. I play to win and have fun not to study a forced meta down my throat. I have been playing since Dota 1 and now this game is becoming really bad.
Hard support means u have to do everything and it will be very hard bcs all ur gold goes to wards and u cant get the gold for items because u end up dying really fast unlike soft support who literally doesnt have to buy wards but to pressure all lanes and try to find the kill opportunitysDondo8 Aug, 2019 @ 9:20am”Soft support” can be considered as the “roamer” since his only objective is actually to ♥♥♥♥ up enemies lanes and hunt cours and u know gank lanes all the time so ur cores can get the advantage and win fights overall
Still team mates should negotiate the actual line up. It‘s all not mandatory.
> So based on you position 5 is safe lane and position 4 is offlane.
Now my question is where do you see position 3?
They’re the one farming the offlane, why would you assume that position 3 is the jungler when jungling at level 1 is god awful for 99% of the hero pool?
Date Posted: 7 Aug, 2019 @ 8:16am
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